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Obediah G. Baker
Deputy Administrator
Multifamily Housing Programs
Rural Housing Service, USDA
Washington, D.C.

Addressing CARH:

“What’s up with the 3560 regulation?”

The first question I was asked when I walked into the room today was: “What’s up with the 3650 regulation?” Well, it’s not 3650, it’s 3560.

The next question was: “Last year you told us you would have it out for Proposed Rule Making before the end of the Fiscal Year. What happened?” Well, we have good news this year, because it has cleared the Department, and right now we are preparing the package to send it to OMB.

We had some serious hitches with the Department, primarily with the Office of Budget and Planning Analysis on budget issues, and ultimately we struck a deal so the regulation can move forward. The Secretary has signed it, and it is just a matter of getting it transmitted physically and electronically from the Department to OMB. That’s where we are.

We can usually work with OMB to speed up the process because we’ve been working with them a long time. From all indications, the Desk Officer over at OMB is just as anxious to get this out as we are. There’s a strong possibility that he will have this out on the street before the Fiscal Year’s end, on September 30, 2002, but it will be for Proposed Rule. It’s likely to have a 60-day comment period; please look at it closely. I’m sure you’re going to look for your tracks as a result of the Stakeholders Meetings and your involvement. Please feel free to be candid in making your comments.

538 Status

Another bit of good news is that we issued invitations as a result of responses to the 538 Guarantee program. This year we received responses in excess of $131 million. We have authorization for about $100 million. In 1997 we did have what we call “No Year dollars” with about $31 million left over, and that has carried over. In addition to the $100 million in subscriptions that we received this year, it’s likely we’ll be able to fund most of the ones that we invited packages for.

Just a word of encouragement: We’ve sent our state offices letters to contact those of you who have applied through the 538 Guarantee program. We’ve given you a 90-day turnaround, and I urge you please to pull your information together to put us in the position to obligate the dollars before September 30. Last year we only obligated about $1.1 million of the $100 million in the program due to a legal technicality. That technicality is the end of the Fiscal Year. We had an onslaught of responses to the 538 NOFA in the middle of August, although we had it open most of the year. Shortly after we formalized the Memorandum of Understanding with Freddie Mac, the floodgates just opened and hit us. Under the requirements of the National Environmental Protection Act, we have to go through a process of publishing and quite a few steps. We just didn’t have the time to actually legally obligate those Guarantees.

Need to Obligate

We went to the Undersecretary with these comments: We can obligate those dollars and answer later to OIG and GAO on why we did it, or we can not obligate the dollars and answer to the Industry as well as to the Congress on why we didn’t use the money. I recommended the latter, and that’s why you saw only $1.1 million. It’s not that the program isn’t desirable and attractive, and not that we didn’t have the subscription for it — we hit a legal snag. This year we’re on top of it. That’s the reason I’m urging you, if you have a package, if you receive a letter from me, please turn it around. If it won’t fly this fiscal year, let us know and we’ll go to another on the list.

515 New Construction

On 515, we had $49 million for new construction loans. The NOFA closed April 26th. Last week we issued a Decision Memo regarding those applications we selected. If your respective States have not contacted you that you were selected in response to the NOFA, a notification will be forthcoming. Hopefully they did inform you as to what’s going on. The selections — from seventy applications totaling $48.2 million — were announced June 5th. Of the projects selected, six are located on Indian Reservations on Tribal Lands in Alaska, Arizona, Idaho and South Dakota, two were in Colonias in Texas and New Mexico, and fourteen are in EZ/EC communities. We also selected twelve non-Rental Assistance properties this year. On the rehab side, we selected 88 requests, totaling $49.3 million.

There have been a lot of questions raised about whether 538 will replace 515. I don’t know. That’s an old issue. It was the original intent and it is still the intent for it not to replace 515. It was designed to essentially address the market that we couldn’t address with 515 only. These transactions are highly leveraged and the more soft money put into the 538 transactions, the farther we can reach into communities and the lower we can reach in terms of income strata. But in no way is it a program exactly like the 515 program.

In terms of funding for 515, old programs are receiving a lot of attention on the Hill. What are our chances of getting an increase in funding? I’m not in a position to speculate. I can apprise you that whenever I’m asked whether or not the estimates projected for the 2003 Fiscal Year in the President’s Budget are enough for new construction, my response is that based upon the subscriptions we have on hand, prior activities, and the need out there, the arithmetic is not there. We look forward to a continued relationship with CARH.


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