John Meyers, 515 Housing Consultant


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DEALING WITH AUDITS

A Council for Affordable and Rural Housing Panel Discussion (January 2003):

Remarks by:

Jeffrey D. Barsky, CPA,
Richard Michael Price, Esq., and
John B. Meyers


Jeffrey D. Barsky, CPA
Principal
Reznick Fedder & Silverman
301.657.7709
www.rfs.com

DEALING WITH AUDITS — 1

I was asked to speak on what’s new with Inspector General audits.

In my experience, if you’re going to get a call from the Inspector General, it’s not a good idea to assume that it’s routine. It could be, but in my experience, it usually is not.

The first thing I recommend is to contact your attorney. Listen to what he tells you. That’s what you pay him for, and you really ought to listen to his advice.

When they come in, be cooperative. These are human beings. I try to treat them as I would like to be treated. I find that if you’re dealing with a gray area and treat them with respect, they may cut you a little slack, although that’s not always the case.

Usually No Routine OIG Calls

Remember, this is probably the situation if you’re getting a call from OIG: It’s not routine. They’re here for a reason. They have suspicions, and they’re here to check it out.

If they request things like books and records and receipts, put them in a room and have them ready. It gives them an impression that you’re cooperating.

Keep them away from your staff. These people are often very well trained in interrogation and interview skills. I’ve taken courses on interview skills. I know what they’re doing. If they get free access to your staff on a regular basis, it may not be in your best interests.

Don’t offer to take them to lunch. That may be viewed as inappropriate. In addition, it is another opportunity in a casual setting for them to practice their interview skills on your staff or on you. Often, as I said, these people are well-trained in investigative and interview techniques.

Try not to volunteer things. Answer their questions. “Do you have the time?" The answer is not, “11:25,” the answer is, “Yes.” There’s a subtle difference, but don’t volunteer things.

Remember, these people may not be your friends. I actually heard one get up and speak at a conference like this, and say, “When I come to see you, I’m not your friend.” That was the start of his speech.

Some of the things that they’re trained to spot that alerts them are certain kinds of phrases, like, “to be truthful with you.” That’s a classic type of conversation that says that guy must be lying — that’s how they’re trained. By the way, lots of innocent truthful persons say things like that: “to be very frank about it,” “to be honest about that.” Avoid those kinds of phrases because they are red flags to a trained investigator.

Try to have an exit conference with them because sometimes you can clear things up: “While I couldn’t get three competitive bids because this was storm damage, we needed to get the units back on line. You know what, the insurance paid for it anyway, so the project wasn’t hurt.”

If they issue an unfavorable report — and I’ve read a lot of them — your initial reaction is, “Put the handcuffs on and let’s go.” Really, they’re very well written, until you really get into the details. I have looked at a lot of them. We’re going to go through one very briefly.

I’ve found they make a lot of errors, and they make a lot of judgments, based upon things I just would never do. One common flaw, for example, is that in an Identity of Interest project, they’ll take the project’s financial results and compare it to allegedly comparable projects. To the extent that the expense account that contains the Identity of Interest expense is greater than the comparable project’s, the owner has overpaid and, accordingly, is a bad owner.

Now, wait a minute; you did exterior painting, which you do every five years, how can they compare apples to oranges? Simple things like that. It’s amazing. “My project’s 20 years older than that project, of course it requires more maintenance.” “This project was rehabbed five years ago.” Sort of common sense things. However, they just send you demand for the difference and ask you to send in the money.

I worked on a case where the Inspector General wrote a nice letter to the owner that said, “Please enclose a check for roughly $2 million, and then we’ll decide whether we go after you, debar you or not.” That was the substance of the letter. I got contacted by the lawyer, and when I first read the Inspector General’s report I kind of wondered what in the heck are we going to do about this? But you’ve got to look, and you’ve got to look carefully.

This guy had a lot of Identity of Interests, companies, all kinds of cost categories — the dollars were big. These were not small projects, but the concepts are really the same. The bulk of this $2 million related to Identity of Interest overcharges over a multiple-year period of time. They took expenses in a cost category, they divided by four, and did an average, and if you spent $1 more, that assumed that the owner was overcharging.

Well, simple mathematics will tell you that if you average numbers with a wide range, you can get a low or high average compared to the range. It’s simple things, but an explanation for being over the average is that you as an owner might expense refrigerators, and maybe others capitalize their expenditures for refrigerators, where the cost shows up in depreciation. This kind of nonsense is what they were using to say to send the $2 million.

Another example is if you use your own labor for certain kinds of repairs and other owners use subcontractors. If you take the numbers and average, you’ve got to figure out what you have when you get a really distorted number. That was the basis for saying send us the check. Compared to what you read in their report (and we actually had to go to court to get discovery and depositions to get to this level of information), it wasn’t as bad when you really analyzed it.

There May Be Hope

Another thing they did was — this owner operated the laundry room and paid a commission to the project. This is what I call a reality check. They claimed he should have put in $35,000, that he didn’t pay enough. I figured out that, based on their estimate of $35,000, each washer and dryer would be running 14 times a day, 365 days a year — there’d be lines in the laundry room. This kind of shows how ridiculous some of their assumptions are. How many of you have laundry rooms in small projects with 14 loads a day? And that assumes the dryers are used every time the washers are. We all know that isn’t the case.

Our client declined to send a check. To make a long story short, we deposed this Inspector General employee. For some reason the government decided not to bring him as a witness at trial, the report never went in, and the matter went away. The government realized it had a weak case. Unfortunately, the client had to go through it.

Red Flags

Red flags that often result in the IG paying you a visit include security deposits that are not funded or are under-funded, compensation of affiliates, use of Identity of Interest companies, and poor internal controls, particularly over cash. These are the kinds of comments you want to avoid.

The CPA has an obligation to report them if he finds them. These are the types of things that can sort of tip off someone to say, “Maybe I should knock on their door and say I’m not your friend.”

Thank you.

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Remarks by:

Richard Michael Price, Esq.
Counsel to CARH
Nixon Peabody LLP
202.585.8716
www.nixonpeabody.com

DEALING WITH AUDITS — 2

Being the lawyer on this panel, I think it’s important to focus on some legal issues, and before that, on how you interact with folks in the government, both in the traditional OIG audit sense and in the broader sense of how it interplays with a number of different programs and policies. In the broader sense, you are really talking about how RHS, or HUD if you have 515 or Section 8, or the IRS if you have Tax Credits — about how they all interact.

Prove You’re Right

The first issue is dealing with these folks. The second issue, I think, is dealing with conventional audit documentation. The third issue, I think, is enforcement issues with the technical and legal aspects, and, finally, how this interrelates with our programs. RHS has their way of doing things, HUD has its way, IRS has its way. They do segue in many areas, but they’re not completely overlapping. You oftentimes get different results and different reactions with different issues.

On the basics of relating, really what that means is understanding that you’re being put in the position of having to prove that you’re correct. And that’s from a practical standpoint as well as a legal standpoint. From the practical standpoint it’s basically the fact that you have a series of Agencies (RHS, HUD) that have 2530 Previous Participation and flagging processes so that if you want to continue doing business with the programs, you have to do business on their terms. That’s not as difficult as it sounds, but it does put the onus on you to make sure that they understand you — and you’d like them to understand you. You’re a private owner, private manager, the contractor, program participant, and you have to make sure that communication flows.

Fair or not, I think that’s the reality. Also, there’s the legal side of this. HUD has a law on Civil Equity Skimming — it’s technically called Double Damages, but they refer to it as equity skimming. Rural Housing has a similar equity skimming law, and indeed they have some other related laws that, by law, place the burden of proof, should things get to court, on the person who is saying they are in full compliance — on the contractor, on the owner, on the manager.

If the Agency, OIG or anyone else comes in and says you didn’t spend your money correctly, practically speaking, if you want to make sure your 2530s are clear, you want to address those issues. More than that, if it should in unfortunate circumstances go further into some sort of official action pending a threatened recovery action, you have the legal obligation, as a rule (but not always), to prove that your position is correct.

Even when you don’t have that strict legal obligation, if you’re confronting a lawsuit with the False Claims Act, for example, even though the burden of proof is still on the government, you really are in the position of proving your case, because the government is cast in the role of the protector of the Federal fisc, and you’re cast in the role of the person who’s looking to raid the Federal fisc. The idea is having to shift that dialogue around. We do that and it has been done with frequency.

Books and Records

On that note, I included in the CARH book a list of various laws and regulations that give a good reference point and checklist of the kinds of things you might want to keep in mind. There are also a couple of statutory excerpts. One excerpt is Section 1485, which is a relatively new statute that requires participants in the Rural Housing Service programs to maintain books and records in a fashion that is reviewable and auditable, and which provides that failure to do so is itself a violation subject to civil monetary penalties. I haven’t seen anyone in an RHS program fined civil money penalties, although that happens a lot on the HUD side these days. I have not seen RHS do that, but it does give impetus to the RHS point that you’re supposed to maintain documents. RHS is going to a place where HUD has already been on this issue. The HUD position is basically to maintain every piece of paper.

I think that it is important, in all seriousness, to start thinking about warehousing paper. I find that clients that have paper, that have their receipts, that have their three bids for their contractors, and so forth, and save those documents, wind up doing much, much better than those for whom we have to go back and do forensic accounting. I often work with Jeff Barsky on those. Those have been successful, but it tends to be more trouble than it’s worth. If you had just saved those receipts.

Enforcement Issues

There are also a couple of Enforcement issues that come into play here. On the Rural Housing side you have Section 1490 (S) — that’s Double Damages, the statute for Rural Housing that was just passed two years ago. I have not seen it implemented, but it is on the books and I imagine that sooner or later the Agency will get around to doing that. But I also think there are a few other Enforcement issues. These go from the sublime to the ridiculous, but they are all important when you take a look at them.

The first is Tax Credits: 1.42-5 and 1.42-9. For those of you with Tax Credit properties, these become important because 1.42-5 brings in the HUD Physical Inspection Standards. We’re talking about audits, so why am I talking about physical inspections? I’ll get there in 60 seconds.

HUD 4350.3

Tax Credit 1.42-9 incorporates 4350.3 (which talks about the general public and keeping properties open and available to the general public as an IRS statutory requirement for the Tax Credit program), but the regulation when it came out incorporated HUD Handbook 4350.3. (I love these numbers.) That’s the Occupancy Handbook that HUD is revising because it is twenty years out of date. The revision is a great idea. The Handbook is a wonderful 800 to 900 pages with all the attachments. It is so big we can’t get it in one volume. It covers everything. If you are in the HUD program, that’s great.

Unfortunately, by incorporating the whole thing by reference to this regulation (and we don’t really know how much has been incorporated, because the first chapter talks about general public availability, Fair Housing issues that define general public availability), basically the IRS has ruled for many years now that if you are in full compliance with the Nation’s Fair Housing laws, then you are generally available to the public. If you’re generally available to the public, you meet the IRS requirement. That’s the flow.

If you’re not in full compliance with the Fair Housing laws, then you’re also not in compliance with your Tax Credits.

4350.3 Applicable?

The linkage here is that this Handbook goes well beyond this Fair Housing issue that’s Chapter One. You move on from there and it goes into all kinds of financial data. Appendix 4 of the current 4350.3 talks about how to verify tenant income. I’ve had a few Tax Credit properties where owners or management agents didn’t obtain affidavits for employment. That’s in the back of the Handbook, but again, some folks read this so that the Handbook then incorporates the IRS rules and when the HFAs come in to do their audits and their reviews, this thing gets picked up as a Default on your 8823.

It’s not the traditional OIG, but it all circles back. Similarly, HUD has new Enforcement protocols. Nixon Peabody has a new written summary of these Enforcement protocols. If you have 515 or Section 8 it is important to be familiar with those. What’s important, and the segue here, is once you get a “below 60” REAC score, the HUD Enforcement Center does a full financial review, which is kind of like an audit. I have a couple clients right now that got a “below 60” — they did their repairs very quickly, it was very minor stuff, the properties are in fine repair. Unfortunately, as the months have ticked off, they are now answering all kinds of financial audit questions. In part, it has do to with receipts — what they didn’t save. It all sort of circles back around.

The OIG stuff is important, and it’s the tip of the iceberg. It’s the same continuum of reviews that we’re dealing with these days.

On vouchering for Section 8 HAP Contracts, HUD believes that every time you put one of those vouchers in, you’re warranting that the property is in good repair. When they come in to test that theory, they look for your repair receipts and your contractor bids.

Thank you.

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Remarks by:

John B. Meyers
Consultant
Louisville, KY
502.451.2727

DEALING WITH AUDITS — 3:
YOU EAT WHAT YOU KILL

eat what you kill idiom. The philosophy that a person who accomplishes something should get the full financial benefit that results from that accomplishment.

“You eat what you kill” — that’s got to be the unwritten motto of OIG, as well as of some other equally appealing professions.

If it weren’t so close to home, we could admire the motto for its directness. The members of this industry are the herd of animals, with OIG coming by from time to time to pick off a meal. In one recent audit on insurance costs OIG nibbled on about three percent of the 17,000 projects in the 515 program. Roughly speaking, projects had odds of about 1 in 30 of being selected. If this were a state lottery, these are great odds of winning. But since the winners are killed and eaten by OIG, you really don’t want to win. You don’t want to be a meal for OIG.

First Line of Defense

In this case, rather than selecting by owners and going in for a kill, OIG selected management companies because they could be taken as the first line of defense against fraud, waste, and abuse in the program.

In the September 2002 audit entitled “Rural Housing Service, Rural Rental Housing Program Servicing of Insurance Expenses — Phase III,” OIG explained that they worked with Rural Development to obtain insurance cost information from the MFIS database. (As we all know, MFIS is the Multifamily Information System). OIG obtained the nationwide database for 1999 actual year-end income and expenses by project.

OIG then analyzed insurance costs per state, costs per management company, costs per project, management companies with large numbers of units managed and high costs; and summarized the information provided using database and spreadsheet applications.

Errors? In MFIS?

OIG explained that while the MFIS database contained errors, they considered it satisfactory for their purposes because they were able to identify management companies with unusually high or low average insurance costs per unit.

OIG then selected six management companies with over 560 projects:

— two management companies because their average insurance costs were among the top ten in the nation for management companies with more than 500 units;

— one management company because it had higher than average insurance costs in two states. According to MFIS, one project had the eighth highest workers compensation expense in the United States;

— one management company because it had an identity of interest on insurance (the management company reported to RHS that a management official was a relative of an employee of the insurance agency);

— one management company because, according to MFIS, it is the largest management company managing RRH projects in the nation; and

— a sixth management company because its projects had higher than average insurance costs in two states.

You can ask yourself if there’s any way you can position your company or your projects against being selected. The short answer and long answer is, “No.” Not only are project expenses what they are, but you have to hope that the MFIS information entered by RD is correct in all respects. OIG started by acknowledging that MFIS had errors. Nope: Once you’re in the program, you’re fair game to be killed and eaten.

OIG conducted this audit in accordance with Government Auditing Standards.

One OIG chapter title was “Management Company Practices Unnecessarily Increased Project Insurance Costs and Payroll Taxes.” This has got to make you feel good as a manager.

OIG Findings

OIG found several of the six management companies did several bad things in particular, among all the other bad things the companies did. They:

(1) charged projects for workers compensation and payroll taxes using estimated rates that were higher than the actual costs without reconciling the project charges to the actual costs incurred; and

(2) did not take effective steps to reduce costs, such as obtaining workers compensation insurance policies that classified site managers at the most advantageous rate.

OIG explained that, in general, these bad things occurred because the Agency was not aware of the existence of the overcharges because the Agency had relied on the reports submitted by the management companies and — ominously — on the CPA audits that did not expose the overcharges. OIG explained that these practices unnecessarily increased project expenses and, in some cases, improperly increased management company revenue.

I can become very concerned that OIG is raising an issue about the Agency relying on the reports — probably on the budgets. And OIG is raising a question about audits not exposing overcharges. These two issues are the sort of thing OIG could be likely to pursue in a future report. Keep in mind that OIG is just as happy to kill and eat the Agency as a Borrower. We can almost entitle such a report as “Agency Maladministration of MFIS Increases Costs to Government.” Stay tuned.

Two Bad Things

In any event, OIG identified two bad things.

BAD THING ONE (sort of like Dr. Seuss): One company overcharged projects for workers compensation insurance by charging the projects for workers compensation at rates higher than the actual cost for payroll of site management and maintenance employees. The projects also reimbursed the company at rates higher than the actual cost for any subcontractors’ workers compensation (in which the subcontractor did not have their own workers compensation insurance).

OIG could be right — that’s bad, or certainly not good, or certainly looks bad. An explanation, offered up by OIG, from a company was that they charge a flat 5 percent rate for workers compensation for all employees, including resident manager, maintenance, custodial, etc., and they do not differentiate whether they are doing cleaning, maintenance, grounds, or office work. The company acknowledged workers compensation should be charged at different rates, but contended that historically it has averaged out to be 5 percent.

Another company said payroll taxes were about 9.5 percent. However, that company actually charged its projects 10 and 11 percent of manager salary in 1999 and 2000, respectively, for payroll taxes.

My thought on these is oops!if OIG is right. But they aren’t always right. Remember, OIG has to find problems because they eat only when they kill.

BAD THING TWO: In addition, at one company site managers were not classified at the most advantageous rate to the projects. Site managers were classified as “9015,” which was the same rate for performing maintenance and repair work. This rate did not reflect less risky site management duties including leasing and collecting rents. In comparison, we noted that other management companies classified their site managers as “9012,” which was the same rate for leasing agents. For other management companies, we found the “9012” rate was seven times less than the “9015” rate. In addition, another rate which could be used (“8742”) includes collectors who are employees engaged in such duties away from the employer’s premises. The “8742” rate was also about seven times less than the “9015” rate.

OIG noted that the company said they classified site managers as “9015” because that was their interpretation of the workers compensation insurance regulations. The company believed that since site managers also perform some maintenance duties, all their salary had to be classified as “9015.” The company said they contacted their insurance agent/company about splitting site managers between the different classification codes, but the request was denied.

Just Collect Money

My reaction is that OIG shot wide of the mark and the Agency went along with OIG because classifications seem highly debatable and complex.

In any event, one of the recommendations made by OIG and accepted by the Agency was:

Instruct the responsible servicing officials to require the cited management companies to fully account for and recover the improper workers compensation charges (including potential overcharges for 2001) for all their RRH projects and to establish written procedures to prevent similar overcharges in the future.

I take this to mean that the management companies will have to figure out how much they overpaid in workers compensation, presumably for 1999, 2000, 2001 (and maybe 2002, in an Agency excess of exuberance). Rather than being able to go back to the insurance companies for a refund, the companies will have to reimburse the amounts themselves, depositing the reimbursements in project accounts.

Of course, this whole reimbursement issue can be run through the appeal process, so there’s hope for the management companies.

Results Justify Existence

In summary, OIG has found the results they need to justify their job. Sadly, it doesn’t make any difference if they’re right or wrong in their findings — once RD accepts the findings, OIG has done their job. If you’re not careful after that, you’re toast.

The forecast is that OIG will continue to eat what they kill.

Of course, OIG is continuing to look in the insurance arena. I think OIG will also be active in looking at projects which received equity loans.

Thank you.

 

QUESTION FROM THE FLOOR:
What obligation does OIG have to tell you on what they based their report?

ANSWER (from Richard Price, Esq.):
There are two kinds of events here, one is an Investigation and one is an Audit. If you have an Audit, they are supposed to give you a copy of the Audit. If they don’t give you a copy of the Audit, then that’s when you bring in the Freedom of Information Act, and ultimately may have to go to court. The whole point of the Audit is to give you an analysis. Oftentimes they don’t give you a copy.

If you’re dealing with an Investigation or a situation where an Auditor thinks it’s going to come to an Investigation, then that is treated differently. Under the Freedom of Information Act we can beat it out of them without going directly to court, although there are exceptions. The government does not have to give up their work papers, their Audit, their whatever, if it’s part of an Investigation.

Investigation: Term of Art

What’s an Investigation? An Investigation is a decision to bring criminal charges, civil charges. In that context, the government is allowed to complete its “review,” call it whatever you want to, without divulging. That would be the Investigation.

Of course, once you get this sort of letter, a $2 million letter, contact a lawyer. The first response of the lawyer should be: I want a copy of your analysis. If it doesn’t happen right away, then the answer from the government is likely: Pound sand. Then the discussions commence.

Whether or not you get it right off the bat, I think it is very important to persevere, because then you can bring in your accountant and what not. The way you make mileage on these things is you pick apart their analysis.

Waste, Fraud, Abuse

I find that a lot of Government Investigators and Auditors, particularly IG, are focussed on waste, fraud and abuse. What’s waste? I have no idea. What’s abuse? I don’t know that either; I know it in other contexts. What’s fraud? Okay, I get fraud: Fraud is lying. Lying is bad. That’s easy.

But these other things are very subjective. You know and the professional industry knows better, almost always, than the folks within the Agency — who don’t run properties, who don’t manage properties, who don’t provide financial returns, who don’t produce Audits — and many of the folks in the OIG Audit offices in both HUD and USDA are not actually CPAs. They’re Auditors, they have training, they have a badge, and they do use those skills very well. But the analytical piece is oftentimes incomplete and only somewhat focussed.

That’s a long answer, but it’s the entire process and how you get that information.


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